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Bitumen trains help beat pipeline congestion for Alberta energy producers

Vancouver Sun -- EDMONTON - Rapidly growing MEG Energy has decided that rail tank cars and barges are the best way to beat the pipeline congestion holding down Alberta’s crude oil prices.

Later this year, unit trains with up to 118 tank cars will head out of Bruderheim every day on either Canadian National or Canadian Pacific tracks, bound for the Chicago area, where the oil will then be dumped into U.S. pipelines or loaded onto river barges. The trains might also keep going to the U.S. Gulf Coast and deliver the bitumen to several large refineries with cokers that can handle heavy crude.

“And it’s not just the U.S. Gulf Coast. For example, we can send dilbit to the Irving refinery in Saint John (N.B.) where it can be mixed with lighter crudes. They can figure out their own milkshake,” said Bellows. “If

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,643 Points:1,611,470 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 11:01:30 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse Chris: indeed. You hit the nail on the head.
Chris46 Champion Author Dayton Posts:23,683 Points:2,083,290 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 9:09:43 PM Ignore Chris46 Report Abuse We are on a downward spiral, with nobody to blame but ourselves.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,643 Points:1,611,470 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 4:57:25 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse so we're transporting tar sands (bitumen) oil, which was gained using lots of energy, then using more energy to bring it to the Gulf Coast, and finally refine it in the US where more carbon than from any other petroleum is being released. Only to export most of that (and that's by the actual admissions of Pig Oil executives).
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,625 Points:1,144,195 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 12:00:56 AM Ignore NedW Report Abuse Thank you for submitting, bar1035.
FuelishGuy All-Star Author Edmonton Posts:798 Points:927,225 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 11:36:37 PM Ignore FuelishGuy Report Abuse Wonder how sentiments change when they have their first spill.
Chris46 Champion Author Dayton Posts:23,683 Points:2,083,290 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 10:34:55 PM Ignore Chris46 Report Abuse Ship it anyway you can.No problem.
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NemoIL Champion Author Illinois Posts:3,030 Points:1,314,195 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:46:05 PM Ignore NemoIL Report Abuse Our dear leader did not approve keystone. This and the de-valuation of the dollar means higher prices at the pump.
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,478 Points:664,150 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:17:10 PM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Since the Obama regime will not approve Keystone, ship it the best way available.
heartbroken2010 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:4,354 Points:899,485 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:13:17 PM Ignore heartbroken2010 Report Abuse gotta move the stuff any way we can to get it to market.
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pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:10,906 Points:2,133,555 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:03:52 PM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse Good for rail.
ManOfLeisureII Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:1,884 Points:455,800 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:02:36 PM Ignore ManOfLeisureII Report Abuse Just costs more than the pipeline.....but who cares.
cheaper0ON All-Star Author Ontario Posts:993 Points:400,005 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:01:40 PM Ignore cheaper0ON Report Abuse ok.
nd73 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,082 Points:489,450 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:01:12 PM Ignore nd73 Report Abuse I have confidence in our elitist president that he will stop any progress in lowering gas prices.
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tdc007 Champion Author Lexington Posts:1,123 Points:384,805 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:58:45 PM Ignore tdc007 Report Abuse Good for the railroads.
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clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,583 Points:1,774,295 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:54:40 PM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse The fuel will make it to market one way or another.
mrbee Champion Author Little Rock Posts:3,764 Points:2,468,380 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:54:34 PM Ignore mrbee Report Abuse A start.
chuckhermann All-Star Author New York Posts:967 Points:500,175 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:54:31 PM Ignore chuckhermann Report Abuse Once its on the train and moving, it can go pretty much where its needed.
SavALot Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:8,479 Points:1,713,110 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:50:58 PM Ignore SavALot Report Abuse coming up with alternate solutions to an ongoing problem
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,664 Points:2,361,920 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:49:58 PM Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse Move more by rail for now, but the US and Canada will not get lower fuel prices with more oil, as it and fuel prices are going up, now that they CAN move more. They sell the refined oil in other countries for higher prices, making the prices because of inventory, higher in the US and Canada. Keep it at home, lower the prices, but that will not happen, so we move to an alternative and let them have their oil.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:47:25 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse I see @wayoung56 is still living in the paranoid,conservative, conspiracy theory bubble. Doesn't he need to come up for air sometime?
Math6149 All-Star Author Jacksonville Posts:873 Points:1,798,125 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:46:27 PM Ignore Math6149 Report Abuse Sounds like the cold north.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:45:28 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Rail may be statistically less safe than pipeline to transport oil, @us4usa, but at least there's a finite amount of oil that can be spilled from a train. It takes hours to shut down a pipeline when there's a breach.
5Golfer8 Champion Author Tucson Posts:2,143 Points:301,625 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:43:47 PM Ignore 5Golfer8 Report Abuse Wait till one of those trains derail and the damages to the environment they will cause. Trains are way more dangerous then pipelines.
bearzz Champion Author California Posts:1,437 Points:420,645 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:43:15 PM Ignore bearzz Report Abuse Whatever . . .
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:42:48 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Yes, @Yonkers111. Let America do the refining. Unfortunately, after refining, the petroleum products are exported out of America and gas prices still stay high.
veemotors All-Star Author Alberta Posts:717 Points:66,845 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:41:42 PM Ignore veemotors Report Abuse ill never understand why its not refined here
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:415,365 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:41:14 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse "...bound for the Chicago area, where the oil will then be dumped into U.S. pipelines..." Well, that's an unfortunate use of the word "dunped".
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ntass1 Champion Author Edmonton Posts:3,800 Points:729,000 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:32:43 PM Ignore ntass1 Report Abuse build the pipe lines already.
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Zacchaeus All-Star Author Missouri Posts:505 Points:1,849,975 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:25:07 PM Ignore Zacchaeus Report Abuse Ship all ya want, but (and that is a big but) the price is not coming down. It's the dumb bells on the CBT that control the price.
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bvrbill Champion Author Eugene Posts:3,229 Points:520,575 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:23:12 PM Ignore bvrbill Report Abuse Whateger it takes to get the crude to market.
Yonkers111 Champion Author Scranton Posts:8,331 Points:857,085 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:22:23 PM Ignore Yonkers111 Report Abuse Get it to US refineries so American can do the refining.
camaro_man Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:2,237 Points:612,020 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:22:05 PM Ignore camaro_man Report Abuse no kidding
hamdriver Champion Author Lansing Posts:3,479 Points:1,379,250 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:21:23 PM Ignore hamdriver Report Abuse Yes yes
Focus2 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,892 Points:1,919,465 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:19:31 PM Ignore Focus2 Report Abuse There were always more options other than pipelines.With rail they can go any direction they want. The problem with the Mississippi is the drought and low water levels which lowers barge capacity. Their plan is still to get the bitumen to Louisiana refineries, for refining into gasoline or diesel for export? That leaves the good ole USA with the residue, chemicals, and pollution. Same outcome. They want to dilute the nasty stuff with lighter grades and get a price of $100 a barrel for stuff that cost them a little over $13 a barrel? No, it will not bring down oil or gasoline prices! The plan is to get Canada golden goose to market and get better world price for it. The same thing is going on here with our natural gas and they Big Energy wants to get world market prices for it. But (big Energy) wants you to convince congress that it is a good thing for America to export our natural gas in the form of LNG on the world market. If that happens, we will pay more for fuel gas and heating.
mcmonsta Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,232 Points:819,520 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:18:51 PM Ignore mcmonsta Report Abuse you can bet fair money that it still makes money, the main thing is getting it wherever
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us4usa Champion Author Missouri Posts:5,998 Points:1,114,340 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:10:18 PM Ignore us4usa Report Abuse Cost rail more then pipe but less then truck, risk rail more then pipe but less then truck...
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